Tuesday, May 24, 2011

Caste issue is still a hot topic in India

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  • Juby John Eipe
    I don't care to which caste you belong; i'd respect you for what you are and what you do.
    March 10 at 9:41am · · ·
    • Arun Bose, Tanushri Guchhait, Arun Sivan and 43 others like this.
      • Jeejan C Korah ha ha There is no caste system any more dear!!! U mean religion
      • Deepthi George yes...Jeemamma...sometimes he is a' MaBu'
      • Motu Siddharth There's still a lot of caste fighting on, there is
      • Juby John Eipe I see it everyday. You should visit the villages and the northern part of India. Kerala is better of in this regard.
      • Jeejan C Korah Ok we will do that next time when we visit Inda.
      • Juby John Eipe People don't ve access to public wells, roads and temples jus because they are from a 'lower' caste. People are murdered for marrying from other castes. Welcome to 21st century India.
      • Juby John Eipe A separate cemetery for 'low caste' christians of the same parish. Recent story from tamil nadu
      • Juby John Eipe Even in Kerala, food is served on separate plates (which will not be used by the family members) to servants (read low caste) in many households. Caste system is very much here
      • Viji Varghese Eapen Juby, you are in right direction. But, why this ' delayed'
        change?
      • Juby John Eipe Change was happening. Recent exposure forced me to voice it out on fb
      • Blessy Joseph i just cant believe this
      • Anna Varghese Good one Juby..go ahead .:)
      • Anna Varghese I just attended two major conferences in these two months discussing the issue of caste..its a lot complex, intrinsic and much debated category in the academic circles these days. Interestingly there is a distinct distinction made out btwn caste and religion, its all pervasiveness and impacts of caste on socio politico economic psyche of the masses. Burning issue which needs to b attended and addressed with care.
      • Juby John Eipe ‎Blessy Joseph: look around. look within
      • Juby John Eipe ‎Anna Varghese: the callousness with which many of us treat this issue is horrifying. Even within the Church, this exists to a very great extent. The caste divide and the class divide. Church moves from being a spiritual centre to a political space which satisfies the need for esteem and Self Actualization as put forward by Abraham Maslow.
      • Thomas Varghese Sir....only self-esteem is what is appeased by the power hierarchy in parishes these days . One should explore the spiritual quotient of the religion he believes in order to reach the elite stage of the maslowian pyramid,,,,,,,sef actualization
      • Juby John Eipe This self actualization need exists for all individuals regardless of their "Syrian" or "Dalit" background(s). The Church should facilitate the oneness. The attitude is: "I will help you, but i will not dine with you". Jesus said something else.
      • Thomas Varghese Very true sir!...........any religious institution don't have the right to speak about facilitating the much more "intrinsic"aspect of self-actualization without demolishing the barriers the 've created in every indivudual achieving the rather "superficial" self-esteem needs.And as you've pointed out all religious systems (atleast in India) ve this double standards of "service"
      • Viji Varghese Eapen
        Only to a certain extent can I agree to the fact that the system is same in the Church. Seeing it through the eyes of a CSI member, I can proudly claim that CSI could bring in a lot of positive differences. However, we need to travel a lot...See More
      • Arun Sivan ‎@Juby John Eipe ---- cast ,religion and colour chetta....!!!!
      • Arun Sivan In Kerala people from higher cast are reluctant to go to marriage of lover cast ..this is no dreadful news this system is very well existing …
      • Tanushri Guchhait well said Juby :)

        @Arun...buddy wot is a 'Lover' cast? :)
      • Arun Sivan ‎@ Tanu...oooppsss he he he sorry I meant lower sorry ....:) :) :) :)
      • Tanushri Guchhait ‎@Arun...just kidding buddy, i know it is a typographical error...btw when a mallu writes 'lower' as 'lover' it goes very well...apt with the accent :)
      • Juby John Eipe I think language and accent are also tools for discrimination :)
      • Tanushri Guchhait Oh Juby pls dnt get me wrong here...that was just for fun no such intention of discrimination on my mind
      • Juby John Eipe ‎Viji Varghese Eapen: These "positive differences" that you see and their extent is debatable.
      • Juby John Eipe ‎Tanushri Guchhait: Even though it was nothing more than a joke here, outside this thread, we tend to judge people by their language and accent.
      • Arun Sivan precisely ..
      • Viji Varghese Eapen Debatable when differences lead to discrimination. No need to be debated when differences are respected.
      • Tanushri Guchhait ‎@Juby & Arun...i do agree with u but not between friends i believe and the comment was meant for a friend nothing more!
      • Arun Sivan ‎:):):)
      • Juby John Eipe ‎Viji Varghese Eapen: But dont u think that the ongoing experiment of India should ve reached this ideal of respecting differences long ago? Caste issue is one where this respect for the difference ideology will not work. The issue is such a negative thing. To accept the existence of it and to consciously work together for the eradication of it is what we can do.
      • Juby John Eipe To not educate our children the divinity of various castes would be the first step. To open our doors to others the next.
      • Viji Varghese Eapen true
      • Abhilash Jose It's noteworthy that that's what Jesus called this Canaanite woman and her daughter. When she came to Him and begged that He heal her daughter, He said,

        "It is not right to take the children's bread
        and toss it to their dogs."

        he he he jesus himself was a fundamentalist and believer of cast system.
      • Juby John Eipe ‎Viji Varghese Eapen could you comment on Abhilash Jose's argument?
      • Arun Sivan wow this is going way over the head.. !!!!

        @ bi ... ne ee Bible kadha evidunnu padichu ... entae geevithathil orukkal polum ne pallil poyi njan kandittilladodey...???
      • Juby John Eipe ‎Abhilash Jose: The problem you've posed seems to be very serious in nature. But I wonder, wasn't it the same Jesus who drank the water poured out by a hesitant Samaritan woman?
        March 15 at 2:27pm ·

      • Abhilash Jose calling someone dog is beyond all comparison... that too from jesus...
      • Arun Bose
        Juby i was reading all the arguments and the comments. You r absolutely right. Most of us who claims to be educated lacks the understanding of true india which is the rural space. I had this realisation when I actually lived in villages to ...See More
      • Arun Bose First and foremost I request a total BAN on all political parties based on religion and community, but for those based on a principle and ethic like communism or democracy. Secondly BAN all community media channels. Politicised media propaganda is the worst thing our country might face in future. It is an irony that today politics and religion had become the job of jobless people.
        March 15 at 3:02pm · · 1 person
      • Anna Varghese
        Couple of observations: @ Viji achacha, In terms of institution or Church wise am not sure, but mind-set wise the 'Syrian Christian' versus 'the Dalit Christian' question is very prominent even today. To quote a CSI friend "all the problem...See More
        March 17 at 12:06am ·

      • Anna Varghese
        ‎@ Arun Bose, I believe urban spaces or even 'rurban' in those terms within India is not different.Cases of denial of rooms on rent for Muslims or Christians, forget the deprived classes or castes for example. Even in metro trains I have se...See More
      • Abhilash Jose Ann..what is this oneness in christ..? and children of the one father.. what are you referring to when you say children of one father? r u talking about adam and eve or our african ancestors..?
      • Anna Varghese
        ‎@Abhilash, Not both. "You all are sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourself in Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male or female, for you are all one ...See More
        March 18 at 11:36am · · 1 person
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